Thread: Primarchs and Legion Datasheets

@Drakcore Didn't know about the power whip, but supposedly he crafted the Ravens talons during the heresy so i thought i'd included them.

Originally Posted by Drakcore Bloodtear

Actually he has the Soulspear (From the Soul Drinker series), A Power Fist and Chainsword (Artwork and Flight the Einstein) and the Black Blade (Codex Black Templars)

And GabrielEvander sorry but Corax has a Power Whip and a Heavy Bolter that is used like a pistol. (Raven's Flight)

You could just ignore me but I do like thing to be correct (Damn OCD )

I just gave the Templars codex a look through and I didn't find anything about a black blade. There is just a mention of an undescribed sword in Helbrecht's entry.

Originally Posted by Son of Sanguinius

I just gave the Templars codex a look through and I didn't find anything about a black blade. There is just a mention of an undescribed sword in Helbrecht's entry.

It might have been called the Sword of Dorn AFAIK. It probably was the same sword named twice.

Originally Posted by GabrielEvander

@Drakcore Didn't know about the power whip, but supposedly he crafted the Ravens talons during the heresy so i thought i'd included them.

Just found out that Corax used the Raven Talons after Isstvan V, so it depends on what time your using him

Originally Posted by Drakcore Bloodtear

Just found out that Corax used the Raven Talons after Isstvan V, so it depends on what time your using him

Hence you get a choice of uber lightning claws or a whip

should we do the lost primarchs? or is there just too little known about them?

No lost primarchs for this project, though you are more than welcome to use these rules as a template for a thread about them, if you'd like.

I enjoy these rules quite a bit. I am amused at how the Space wolves codex seems to already have enough special rules in it that not too many needed to be created for him. I am curious at what happens if the enemy fails the psychic test when Russ uses the howl of the world wolf (which I think is a great ability that really reflects how it appears in thousand sons)

At first I was a bit off that russ has less STR than everyone else, however he should gain one more attack. Relic blades dont allow an extra attack whereas frost blades do, but are +1 str instead of str 7.

I am assuming all primarchs are medium bases with these rules? As they are supposed to tower over all marines.

Originally Posted by gwarsh41

I enjoy these rules quite a bit. I am amused at how the Space wolves codex seems to already have enough special rules in it that not too many needed to be created for him. I am curious at what happens if the enemy fails the psychic test when Russ uses the howl of the world wolf (which I think is a great ability that really reflects how it appears in thousand sons)

At first I was a bit off that russ has less STR than everyone else, however he should gain one more attack. Relic blades dont allow an extra attack whereas frost blades do, but are +1 str instead of str 7.

I am assuming all primarchs are medium bases with these rules? As they are supposed to tower over all marines.

Welcome to the discussion! I do hope you'll continue to follow this.

Thanks for the review.

As for Russ' ability, forcing the enemy psykers to test is to cause the odd perils of the warp. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Russ was actually one of the smaller Primarchs.

On the bases point, they would go, ideally, on Terminator bases. An unarmored Mortarion is described as the same height as Typhon in Terminator Armor in Flight of the Eisenstein. They are taller than most Marines without a doubt, but with the exception of maybe Magnus, none of them were the size of greater demons, for example. Sadly because of the similarities in power level, people often assume the Primarchs were all 15 feet tall.

I really like what I see in this thread and I like how all of these primarchs are turning out however with sanguinius does he only count as a psyker for the force weapon or can he use psychic powers if so from which codex? And Leman russ you have stated all non-space wolf psykers is it meant to affect all psykers but how does making them take a psychic test effect them maybe it could be on 3D6 with double 6's and 1's counting as perils. Also will we be seeing custodes any time soon or ios this primarch only

Originally Posted by hawo0313

I really like what I see in this thread and I like how all of these primarchs are turning out however with sanguinius does he only count as a psyker for the force weapon or can he use psychic powers if so from which codex? And Leman russ you have stated all non-space wolf psykers is it meant to affect all psykers but how does making them take a psychic test effect them maybe it could be on 3D6 with double 6's and 1's counting as perils. Also will we be seeing custodes any time soon or ios this primarch only

Sanguinius is a psyker for the purposes of his force weapon and as a point of consistency with his background and his foresight rule.

Leman Russ' howl is meant to make enemy psykers take a psychic test and run the risk of a normal Perils of the Warp attack. 2 or 12, as normal.

In this thread I will not be including the Custodes or the Emperor, but judging by the success of this thread I may very well start one for them.

I've just read in, I think, Horus Heresy artbook that all primarchs were psychic to a certain extent and that the Emperor told them to repress those abilities. I'll have another look later, but its definitely there - all primarchs have some psychic attributes

They were created from the stuff of the warp so they are all atleast a but psychic. Corax had the ability to fog peoples minds, Sanguinius and Night Haunter could see the future, All of there charisma and force of personality could have be part psychic. The Lion i'm sure had lightning quick reflexes which could point to latent ability, and i bet Alpharius and Omegon had a freaky twin telepathy! And do i need to say anything about Magnus?

has anyone done vulkan yet? im gonna have a go maybe

Originally Posted by Son of Sanguinius

Welcome to the discussion! I do hope you'll continue to follow this.

Thanks for the review.

As for Russ' ability, forcing the enemy psykers to test is to cause the odd perils of the warp. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Russ was actually one of the smaller Primarchs.

On the bases point, they would go, ideally, on Terminator bases. An unarmored Mortarion is described as the same height as Typhon in Terminator Armor in Flight of the Eisenstein. They are taller than most Marines without a doubt, but with the exception of maybe Magnus, none of them were the size of greater demons, for example. Sadly because of the similarities in power level, people often assume the Primarchs were all 15 feet tall.

Thanks!
I spent some time thinking about all of the primarchs, it was my love for space wolves that lead me to think his strength should be higher. That night I read fight between Magnus and Russ, then rethought to back in the beginning of the HH when

horus is wounded by what I think is a daemon prince

So I have accepted the rules pretty well. It also got me thinking on the point of Primarch Vs Daemon prince. That comparison, with the lore, and the rules you have made fits very well.

Awesome thread though!

Originally Posted by Son of Sanguinius

ROGAL DORN, PRIMARCH OF THE IMPERIAL FISTS
WS- 8; BS- 6; S- 5; T- 5; W- 4; I- 7; A- 4; Ld- 10

POINTS
400 (500)

UNIT TYPE
Infantry

UNIT COMPOSITION
1 Rogal Dorn

WARGEAR
Artificer Armor; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades

Eversor: This is a master-crafted bolter that fires at Strength 5 and AP 3.

The Sword of Dorn: This is a master-crafted relic blade that re-rolls all failed to wound rolls and rolls an extra D6 for armor penetration.

The Soulspear: This is a master-crafted relic blade that rolls an extra D6 for armor penetration. It may be thrown in the shooting phase, in which case it counts as a ranged attack that uses the following profile:
. . .Rng: 18”. . .Str: 6. . .AP: 2. . .Type: Assault 1

There is very little separating these - could we expand one or the other to make them more unique do you think

Aegis Imperator: This is a suit of Terminator Armor that grants the following additional bonuses:
- +1 to Dorn’s Strength, Toughness, and Wounds.
- Feel No Pain special rule I'd make this standard for him
- If Deep Striking by teleporting, Dorn and any unit he is with do not scatter.
If Primarchs don't already have the best armour available for their role, then why wouldn't they all have Terminator armour straight off? I'd just makes Aegis Imperator his unique Articifers armour

Options: Rogal Dorn may replace his wargear with The Sword of Dorn and the Aegis Imperator (+40pts).

SPECIAL RULES
Independent Character; Fearless; Counter-Attack; Eternal Warrior; Bolster Defenses

Son of the Emperor: Dorn is immune to psychic powers without a given strength value and has a 3+ invulnerable save.

The Fist of the Emperor: If you include Rogal Dorn in your army, all of your units with the Combat Tactics special rule replace it and the And They Shall Know No Fear special rule with the Fearless and Siege Master special rules. In a game of Apocalypse, Dorn grants you the Careful Planning and Bunkers strategic assets.

Siege Masters: Any unit with this rule counts as having the Tank Hunters special rule. The armor penetration bonus is extended to any target with an Armor value, not just vehicles. If a model with this rule also has the Independent Character special rule, it also gains the Bolster Defenses special rule.

The Emperor’s Champion: At the start of any combat he is involved in, Rogal Dorn must be moved into base contact with an enemy Independent Character if possible. While in base contact with that Independent Character, Rogal must direct all of his attacks at it and it must direct all of its attacks at Rogal Dorn. Dorn may re-roll all failed to hit rolls against Independent Characters and must use the Sword of Dorn when attacking them.only if he takes the sword of dorn as an upgrade?

I'd be tempted to take out all the Apoc upgrades and have a special "Apoc" section for each Primarch mate. It will be easier and less confusing.

Originally Posted by GabrielEvander

Nevermore.....

Corax, Primarch Of The Raven Guard
WS-8 BS-6 S-5 T-5 W-4 I-8 A-4 LD-10 SV- 2+

Points
380

Unit
1 Corax

Wargear;
Artificer Armour, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Primarch Bolter, Sword Of Deliverance

Shadow Whip: Counts as a Master Crafted Power Weapon which may reroll all to hits also has the a shooting profile
Range-6' Strength-5 AP 4 Assault-2 The primarch bolter is superior, so why would anyone use this for shooting? Why not make models wounded (but not killed) Initiative 1 for that combat phase?

The Raven Talons: These are a pair of Master Crafted Lightning Claws which grant Rending, for every wound Corax makes he may make another attack, this continues till he fails to wound

May replace The Sword of Deliverance with The Raven Talons for +20pts
May take a Jump Pack for +15pts

Special Rules: Independent Character, Fearless, Eternal Warrior, Orbital Bombardment, Stealth, Infiltrate, Fleet, Combat Tactics

Son of the Emperor: Corax is immune to psychic powers without a given strength value and has a 3+ invulnerable save.

We Strike Swift And Unseen: Assault Squads may be taken as troops, All units with Combat Tactics may replace it with Infiltrate and Fleet.

Sabotage: For every vehicle in your opponents army before the game begins, roll a dice on a 6 that vehicle suffers an automatic penetrating hit. I'd make this glancing mate, and I would put this as "for every Raven Guard unit you have in your aemy, one enemy vehicle takes a glancing hit after deployment, but before the start of the game" maybe?

Shadows Converge: If Corax charges he may make a psychic test, if passed the opponents unit strike at initiative 1.

Cool. I'd maybe consider allowing psychic hoods to counter?

Whats the Sword of Deliverance?

Just some thoughts guys.

@Yabbadabba
Shadow whip i think Making their attacks 1 would be better due to Shadows Converge.
Sabotage seems a good idea more hits but less damage!

Shadows is a standard psychic powers i.e needs a psychic test to all normal rules apply like eldar runes and psychic hoods

Sword of Deliverance was what i armed him with before someone told me about his whip and has now been replaced by the Shadow whip.

Also here's a thought Primarchs Armour: Gives a 2+ Armour Save, Includes a Teleport Homer and Allows Bearer To Deep Strike.

Thanks
Gabriel

Vulkan, Primarch of the Salamanders

WS-8 BS-6 S-5 T-5 W-4 I-7 A-4 Ld-10 Sv- 2+

Points
400

Unit Type
Infantry

Unit Comp
1 Vulkan

Special Rules
Feel No Pain, Fearless, Furious Charge, Relentless, Eternal Warrior,
Son of the Emperor: Vulkan is immune to psyker powers without a given strength value and benefits from a 3+ invulnerable save.

Promethian Cult: Vulkan and his Salamanders are all skilled craftsmen, able to maintain their own weapons and armor without the use of a techmarine. They have an excessively high usage of mastercrafted weapons and artificer armor. Any HQ choice (besides Vulkan) in your army may Master-craft his weapon at a cost of +15 pts. In addition, all Meltas, Multi-Meltas, Flamers, Heavy Flamers, Flamestorm Cannons, and Thunder Hammers in your army count as twin linked or master crafted.

Eye of Vulkan: A spacebound defense laser, Vulkan can call down orbital strikes with this massive machine. it counts as a shooting weapon with the following profile:
..Rng unlimited...S10...AP1...Heavy 2, large blast.

Note that Vulkan cannot use his BS to subtract distance from the scatter on the template.

Wargear
Kesare's Mantle: This allows Vulkans Invulnerable save to be re rolled once per turn (one die per turn).

Gauntlet of the Forge: This armored gauntlet can be fired as a heavy flamer.

The Spear of Vulkan: This is a master-crafted relic blade.

The Unbound Flame: This is an undying flame that burns above Vulkan, mounted on his backpack. It lets any friendly model within 24" use his Ld for the purposes of Morale.

The Song of Entropy: This is a Heavy bolter with the following profile

Rng 36"...S6...AP3...Heavy 5

The Engine of Woes: (running out of ideas!) A dreadnought of unfathomable age, he served with Vulkan during the horus heresy. He counts as an IronClad dreadnought that may be fielded with Vulkan as listed below. He is armed with Master Crafted Seismic Hammer and benefits from the Venerable special rule. His Hammer has a twin linked multi melta and his Dreadnought cc arm is equipped with a heavy flamer (that is twin linked as well).

The Obsidian Chariot: A Land Raider dating back to before the Horus Heresy, Vulkan and any squad he joins at the beginning of the game may be mounted in this at a cost list below.
It counts as a Land Raider Redeemer in all respects, except its flamestorm cannon is twin linked and it has extra armor, a multi melta, and a hunter killer missile. It also benefits from the Venerable Rule as listed in the Venerable Dreadnought entry.

Options

May take the Engine of Woes................................+ 165
The Engine of Woes may be mounted in a Drop Pod.....+ 35
May take the Obsidian Chariot................................+ 300

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i think i may have made him a bit too overpowered? idk what yall think?

also i'd like to note i havent read nearly as much fluff on the salamanders as i'd want to, so alot of the artefacts of vulkan are just guesses.

Okay, methinks I should lay down some basic profiles for certain equipment, mostly based on yabbadabba's ideas. If you're going to design Primarchs for this thread, you should use the following equipment rules if they apply.

If your Primarch has a bolt weapon, you can call it whatever you like, but it will count as this:
Alpha-Class Bolter
Forged in the crucible of Mars' forges, these ornate and potent weapons were made specifically to suit the Primarchs. They use the following profiles, but always count as pistols for the purposes of an assault.
. . .Rng: 24". . .Str: 5. . .AP: 3. . .Type: Assault 2

If your Primarch as some sort of power armor, it counts as the following:
Aegis Imperator
As the sons and champions of the Emperor, the Primarchs marched to war in the finest suits of power armor the Mechanicum could craft. They count as Artificer Armor that confers the Feel No Pain and Deep Strike special rules.

What do you guys think?

EDIT: And this improvement to Son of the Emperor...

Son of the Emperor
A unit with this rule benefits from the Eternal Warrior and Fleet special rules. It is also immune psychic powers without a given Strength value and has a 3+ invulnerable save.

If a unit with this rule has the And They Shall Know No Fear special rule, it and any unit it is with may choose to automatically pass any Morale check they are called upon to take.

If a unit with this rule has the Fearless special rule, it confers Fearless to any unit it is with.

That looks good SoS. Will cut a lot of repetition out. You could call it Primarch Trappings of War.