Thread: Primarchs and Legion Datasheets

I think we are missing a trick here. Why do none of our primarchs have any of the benefits from the Apoc rulebook? I am going to look at this for Dorn, but some of these bad boys might need a little edit.

I want the Primarchs to be useable in the metagame for those who are willing, and having to pay 50 or 60 points for a rule that is great in Apocalypse and useless in the 1500-2500 range doesn't fit that. Now, what we can do is have alternating rules, like this:

Super Awesome General That Defeated You Before You Got Out Of Bed Today: A model with this rule allows you to re-roll any Reserves roll. In a game of Apocalypse, it instead grants you the Careful Planning strategic asset.

Then we label 2 different costs, one for regular games and one for Apocalypse.

Personally, I've always wanted to do this for the existing non-Primarch characters too.

Fair enough I didn't get that from you opening post. Right back to the writing board.

Originally Posted by yabbadabba

Fair enough I didn't get that from you opening post. Right back to the writing board.

That was my fault.

The opening post had nothing like this, but as this thread has developed under the contributions of individuals like yourself, I've had to expand my vision.

Glad to be a part of it mate, its fun . Thank you.

Originally Posted by yabbadabba

Glad to be a part of it mate, its fun . Thank you.

Don't thank me yet. I'm going to pillage all of your brilliant ideas and claim them as my own. But I'll place a tiny little credit in the corner that reads like this:

Most of this came from yabbadabba and co

OK strictly working progress but ..

ROGAL DORN, PRIMARCH OF THE IMPERIAL FISTS
WS- 8; BS- 6; S- 6; T- 5; W- 4; I- 6; A-5; Ld- 10

POINTS
XXX

UNIT TYPE
Infantry

UNIT COMPOSITION
1 Rogal Dorn

WARGEAR
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades, Primarch Bolter
Artificer's Armour – Dorn's armour is unusually ornate and burnished for even a primarch. Imperial units within 6” may reroll failed leadership tests. Imperial Fists within TLoS become Fearless.
Sword of Duty – Dorn's personally crafted blade in which he has placed much of his reputation for Honour and Duty. While Dorn is adept at using Spear of Sword in combat, against enemy characters he always chooses the blade. Counts as a master crafted relic blade. Against models with the IC special rule, if Dorn rolls three or more natural 6's to hit, then the opposing model may take one invulnerable save (if they have it) and if that is failed they will be instantly slain, regardless of wounds, toughness or regeneration. However if Dorn rolls three natural 1's (before rerolls) then he autmoatically takes one wound with no saves allowed. If this is Dorn's last wound he may make a FnP roll.
Soulspear – May be thrown and has the following stats R: 12, S6, AP3, Rending, adds d6 to armour penetration rolls. Somehow it always returns to its owner. In combat, The Spear acts as a master crafted power weapon.

SPECIAL RULES
Independent Character; Eternal Warrior; Feel No Pain; Fearless;

Son of the Emperor: Rogal Dorn is immune to psychic powers without a given strength value and has a 3+ invulnerable save.

Siege Master: Dorn is reknowned for a genius level of understanding of siege warfare. As such he bestows the following benefits to Imperial Fist units in addition to any other rules or scenario conditions:
Imperial Fist units count the AV of buildings as one less. If they are defending a building, it counts as having one point higher.
Any unit assaulting a building held by Imperial Fist units must make a dangerous terrain test. If they take any casualties then the unit must test for pinning. Imperial Fists assaulting buildings count all dangerous terrain tests as difficult instead.
Imperial Fist Units firing blast weapons at buildings may double their BS for scatter purposes only.

Btw mate I haven't kept any of these so don't lose them!

I will attach them to a post on this thread when we're done. Either that, or I can e-mail it to you at that time.

Originally Posted by yabbadabba

How so mate?

you get to redeploy one squad a turn? seems kinda far out, even for a primarch.

anywho. i like the rogal dorn. i think that may be a good final draft for him as i cant see much out of line of what i was gonna write for him.

one small question... is the natural 6 on his sword mean after his mc reroll?

Originally Posted by jdunn

you get to redeploy one squad a turn? seems kinda far out, even for a primarch.

OK, the idea of this thread is to look for some sort of balance to these things. Also with SoS clarifying that this is for regular and Apoc games, some editing will be needed.

Originally Posted by jdunn

anywho. i like the rogal dorn. i think that may be a good final draft for him as i cant see much out of line of what i was gonna write for him.
one small question... is the natural 6 on his sword mean after his mc reroll?

No "natural" means unmodified in any way including rerolls.

thanks for clearing that up.

Not trying to be padantic but doesn't Dorn wield the Black Blade of Dorn (Which he broke over his knee when he saw the Emperor dead on Horus's flagship)?

Yabbadabba, I love the idea for Dorn's weapons. I was throwing around ideas for entirely reinvisioned Primarchs with a friend the other day, and an idea occurred to me that was very similar. It entailed each Primarch having their chosen, favored weapon and then what amounts to a force sword that was forged by the hand of the Emperor himself. It would be their badge of office and wielded whenever the Primarch was personally upholding the honor of the Emperor, like felling an enemy dictator or handling some type of summary execution.

I'm not saying we use this now, but I found it cool that we both came to such similar ideas. It especially fits Dorn's image as the Emperor's Champion and Fist, and when I post my idea for Dorn, I'm going to use it. Nice work.

The Fist of the Emperor...


ROGAL DORN, PRIMARCH OF THE IMPERIAL FISTS
WS- 8; BS- 6; S- 5; T- 5; W- 4; I- 7; A- 4; Ld- 10

POINTS
400 (500)

UNIT TYPE
Infantry

UNIT COMPOSITION
1 Rogal Dorn

WARGEAR
Artificer Armor; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades

Eversor: This is a master-crafted bolter that fires at Strength 5 and AP 3.

The Sword of Dorn: This is a master-crafted relic blade that re-rolls all failed to wound rolls and rolls an extra D6 for armor penetration.

The Soulspear: This is a master-crafted relic blade that rolls an extra D6 for armor penetration. It may be thrown in the shooting phase, in which case it counts as a ranged attack that uses the following profile:
. . .Rng: 18”. . .Str: 6. . .AP: 2. . .Type: Assault 1

Aegis Imperator: This is a suit of Terminator Armor that grants the following additional bonuses:
- +1 to Dorn’s Strength, Toughness, and Wounds.
- Feel No Pain special rule
- If Deep Striking by teleporting, Dorn and any unit he is with do not scatter.

Options: Rogal Dorn may replace his wargear with The Sword of Dorn and the Aegis Imperator (+40pts).

SPECIAL RULES
Independent Character; Fearless; Counter-Attack; Eternal Warrior; Bolster Defenses

Son of the Emperor: Dorn is immune to psychic powers without a given strength value and has a 3+ invulnerable save.

The Fist of the Emperor: If you include Rogal Dorn in your army, all of your units with the Combat Tactics special rule replace it and the And They Shall Know No Fear special rule with the Fearless and Siege Master special rules. In a game of Apocalypse, Dorn grants you the Careful Planning and Bunkers strategic assets.

Siege Masters: Any unit with this rule counts as having the Tank Hunters special rule. The armor penetration bonus is extended to any target with an Armor value, not just vehicles. If a model with this rule also has the Independent Character special rule, it also gains the Bolster Defenses special rule.

The Emperor’s Champion: At the start of any combat he is involved in, Rogal Dorn must be moved into base contact with an enemy Independent Character if possible. While in base contact with that Independent Character, Rogal must direct all of his attacks at it and it must direct all of its attacks at Rogal Dorn. Dorn may re-roll all failed to hit rolls against Independent Characters and must use the Sword of Dorn when attacking them.

Originally Posted by Drakcore Bloodtear

Not trying to be padantic but doesn't Dorn wield the Black Blade of Dorn (Which he broke over his knee when he saw the Emperor dead on Horus's flagship)?

If that is what it was called, then it shall be called that mate. Can you recommend a reference?

Nevermore.....

Corax, Primarch Of The Raven Guard
WS-8 BS-6 S-5 T-5 W-4 I-8 A-4 LD-10 SV- 2+

Points
380

Unit
1 Corax

Wargear;
Artificer Armour, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Primarch Bolter, Sword Of Deliverance

Shadow Whip: Counts as a Master Crafted Power Weapon which may reroll all to hits also has the a shooting profile
Range-6' Strength-5 AP 4 Assault-2

The Raven Talons: These are a pair of Master Crafted Lightning Claws which grant Rending, for every wound Corax makes he may make another attack, this continues till he fails to wound

May replace The Sword of Deliverance with The Raven Talons for +20pts
May take a Jump Pack for +15pts

Special Rules: Independent Character, Fearless, Eternal Warrior, Orbital Bombardment, Stealth, Infiltrate, Fleet, Combat Tactics

Son of the Emperor: Corax is immune to psychic powers without a given strength value and has a 3+ invulnerable save.

We Strike Swift And Unseen: Assault Squads may be taken as troops, All units with Combat Tactics may replace it with Infiltrate and Fleet.

Sabotage: For every vehicle in your opponents army before the game begins, roll a dice on a 6 that vehicle suffers an automatic penetrating hit.

Shadows Converge: If Corax charges he may make a psychic test, if passed the opponents unit strike at initiative 1

Originally Posted by yabbadabba

If that is what it was called, then it shall be called that mate. Can you recommend a reference?

Actually he has the Soulspear (From the Soul Drinker series), A Power Fist and Chainsword (Artwork and Flight the Einstein) and the Black Blade (Codex Black Templars)

And GabrielEvander sorry but Corax has a Power Whip and a Heavy Bolter that is used like a pistol. (Raven's Flight)

You could just ignore me but I do like thing to be correct (Damn OCD )