Thread: Primarchs and Legion Datasheets

alright so heres a bash of our 2 versions

Jaghati Khan

WS-7; BS- 6; S- 5; T-5; W- 4; I- 8; A- 5; Ld- 10

Points
400

Special Rules
Son of the Emperor, Father of the Legion, Independent Character, And They Shall Know No Fear, Fleet, Hit and Run, Skilled Rider

Lightning Assault: If a White Scars Army includes Jaghati Khan, Bike squads count as Troops Choices as well as Fast Attack Choices. In addition, all bike mounted models in your army must exchange Combat Tactics for Hit and Run. Finally, Vanguard and Sternguard Veteran squads may be given bikes instead of jump packs at + 20 points per model.

Warrior's Spirit: If a White Scars Army includes Jaghati Khan, Dreadnoughts may not be taken. In addition, one unit in your army may receive the blessing of the Khan, granting them +1 attack and the fleet and fearless special rules.

Special Wargear
Aegis Imperator, Frag and Krak Grenades,

Sundrakkan: This Bike was the epitiome of bikes used by the White Scars. This is a space marine bike that is equipped with Alpha Class bolters and allows Khan and his unit to run during the shooting phase and gifts his entire unit with furious charge.

Sunfang: This is an Eversor Lamina that must be used 1 handed. If Jaghatai hits with 4 or more attacks against a single model, then the model is slain outright with no Invulnerable saves allowed.

Options:

Jaghati Khan may be mounted on Sundrakkan...........................+40 points

Note: If Jaghati Khan is leading your army, you may take an honour guard squad for him, and they may be mounted on bikes at a cost of +20 points per model.

Looks good, lets see how SoS sees it
Good effort mate

Originally Posted by yabbadabba

Looks good, lets see how SoS sees it
Good effort mate

Speak of the devil...

(I've been called worse.)

Okay, a couple of issues that don't necessarily need changing but I would like to see some explanation.

Originally Posted by jdunn

WS-7; BS- 6; S- 5; T-5; W- 4; I- 8; A- 5; Ld- 10

Why the bonus to the Initiative and Attacks?

Originally Posted by jdunn

Lightning Assault: If a White Scars Army includes Jaghati Khan, Bike squads count as Troops Choices as well as Fast Attack Choices. In addition, all bike mounted models in your army must exchange Combat Tactics for Hit and Run. Finally, Vanguard and Sternguard Veteran squads may be given bikes instead of jump packs at + 20 points per model.

Note: If Jaghati Khan is leading your army, you may take an honour guard squad for him, and they may be mounted on bikes at a cost of +20 points per model.

I would like to go 15 points per model on the Bikes. Otherwise, sounds really good.

Originally Posted by jdunn

Warrior's Spirit: If a White Scars Army includes Jaghati Khan, Dreadnoughts may not be taken. In addition, one unit in your army may receive the blessing of the Khan, granting them +1 attack and the fleet and fearless special rules.

Dreadnought thing is cool. I have a different idea for the second part, though I'm not set on it yet. How about making Vanguard Veterans with Bikes exchange Heroic Intervention for Skilled Rider and Fleet?

Originally Posted by jdunn

Sundrakkan: This Bike was the epitiome of bikes used by the White Scars. This is a space marine bike that is equipped with Alpha Class bolters and allows Khan and his unit to run during the shooting phase and gifts his entire unit with furious charge.

Sounds great. Point for debate: how about a jetbike, perhaps with an underslung weapon?

Originally Posted by jdunn

Sunfang: This is an Eversor Lamina that must be used 1 handed. If Jaghatai hits with 4 or more attacks against a single model, then the model is slain outright with no Invulnerable saves allowed.

I can't say I like the weapon at all. I don't like the circumventing Eternal Warrior and Invulnerable saves. He's got a decent shot of butchering another Primarch or a Greater Demon on the charge, which is too much. And the Initiative test mechanic is clunky.

How about this?

Sunfang: This is an Eversor Lamina. If used one-handed, the weapon re-rolls failed to hit rolls. If used two-handed, any unsaved wound causes Instant Death.

Originally Posted by Son of Sanguinius

Why the bonus to the Initiative and Attacks?

Didn't spot that. Over to JDunn

Originally Posted by Son of Sanguinius

I would like to go 15 points per model on the Bikes. Otherwise, sounds really good.

OK.

Originally Posted by Son of Sanguinius

Dreadnought thing is cool. I have a different idea for the second part, though I'm not set on it yet. How about making Vanguard Veterans with Bikes exchange Heroic Intervention for Skilled Rider and Fleet?

Just exchange for Skilled Rider.

Originally Posted by Son of Sanguinius

Sounds great. Point for debate: how about a jetbike, perhaps with an underslung weapon?

No. Sorry even from the HH I can't accept a plethora of Jetbikes unless we make it available to all of the legions. Plus there is so much more feeling to a ground bike

Originally Posted by Son of Sanguinius

I can't say I like the weapon at all. I don't like the circumventing Eternal Warrior and Invulnerable saves. He's got a decent shot of butchering another Primarch or a Greater Demon on the charge, which is too much. And the Initiative test mechanic is clunky.
How about this?
Sunfang: This is an Eversor Lamina. If used one-handed, the weapon re-rolls failed to hit rolls. If used two-handed, any unsaved wound causes Instant Death.

What Initiative test? The problem with your Sunfang is Jaghatai can't use it on the bike. I was looking at a "death of a thousand cuts" type attack with Jaghatai's speed and skill on the bike allowing him a flurry of attacks.

well, the way i see it Khan is quick and agile warrior, so i thought we'd make him quicker than your average primarch

yeah, i was struggling on what points cost to make the bikes, and finally settled on 20 because thats a little less than what you can give it to a chaplain for, but in retrospect, i'd say 15 is much better

yeah maybe we should give the VV something instead of Heroic intervention, but what about just fleet and they get 3d6 and choose the highest for running? i see them a little less as caring about safely riding their bikes to the enemy as long as they get to the enemy

the jetbike makes him seem a little too much like that dark angels guy whose name is unbeknownst to me. plus, if he's with an honour guard, he'll have to go their speed anyways

maybe this:
Sunfang: This is an Everso Lamina. If used one handed, Khan rerolls failed to hit rolls. if used 2 handed, it counts as a blood talon. (every unsaved wound lets him make an additional attack until either he runs out of enemies or he fails to cause a wound) but, he recieves no strength bonus.
i do this because the way i see khan is riding his bike through an endless horde of gaunts swiinging his Eversor Lamina in wide circles around his bike and slaying tons of gaunts with every slash

dang stupid internet didn't post the quotes. ah well shouldnt be that hard to figure out.

gah no someone else post on this!

Originally Posted by jdunn

alright so heres a bash of our 2 versions

Jaghati Khan

WS-7; BS- 6; S- 5; T-5; W- 4; I- 8; A- 5; Ld- 10

Points
400

Special Rules
Son of the Emperor, Father of the Legion, Independent Character, And They Shall Know No Fear, Fleet, Hit and Run, Skilled Rider

Lightning Assault: If a White Scars Army includes Jaghati Khan, Bike squads count as Troops Choices as well as Fast Attack Choices. In addition, all bike mounted models in your army must exchange Combat Tactics for Hit and Run. Finally, Vanguard and Sternguard Veteran squads may be given bikes instead of jump packs at + 20 points per model.

Warrior's Spirit: If a White Scars Army includes Jaghati Khan, Dreadnoughts may not be taken. In addition, one unit in your army may receive the blessing of the Khan, granting them +1 attack and the fleet and fearless special rules.

Special Wargear
Aegis Imperator, Frag and Krak Grenades,

Sundrakkan: This Bike was the epitiome of bikes used by the White Scars. This is a space marine bike that is equipped with Alpha Class bolters and allows Khan and his unit to run during the shooting phase and gifts his entire unit with furious charge.

Sunfang: This is an Eversor Lamina that must be used 1 handed. If Jaghatai hits with 4 or more attacks against a single model, then the model is slain outright with no Invulnerable saves allowed.

Options:

Jaghati Khan may be mounted on Sundrakkan...........................+40 points

Note: If Jaghati Khan is leading your army, you may take an honour guard squad for him, and they may be mounted on bikes at a cost of +20 points per model.

What about some form of hunting lance that can be equipped if he is mounted. His picture has him with a bow...

Plains Hunter : "On the vast plains of Chogoris one must be faster then his prey, and even faster then his enemies." When mounted on Sundrakkan Jaghati Khan may outflank with the unit he is attached too.

This died a death SoS or are you doing anything with it?

I have been horrendously busy with trying to get classes at the local university, so my visitations to my work have been extremely infrequent. However, these issues should be settled this week, so I will try and compile pdf by the end of this week. I hope in the meantime that the lot of you will continue the discussions and I will chime in again when I can.

In short, this is by no means dead. Just in a brief coma.

Fulgrim, The Phoenician

Points
400


WS-7; BS- 6; S- 5; T-5; W- 4; I- 7; A- 4; Ld- 10

Special Wargear


Wings of Chemos: Counts as a jump pack. If wearing the wings, Fulgrim and his unit gain the Fleet special rule. +40 pts

Fireblade: Counts as an Eversor Lamina. Should Fulgrim was concerned with the perfection of all his ways, and he reflects that even in his combat. If wielding Fireblade, Fulgrim may forgo his attacks to attempt a coup de grace on a single enemy model in base contact. roll to hit and to wound once. if successful, the enemy model is slain with no armor saves or invulnerable saves allowed.

Special Rules

Achieve Perfection: Fulgrim and his Legion strive to reach perfection in all things they exhibit, from art to military tactics. Fulgrim allows you to reroll the dice to seize the initiative. Also, up to 2 units in the army may be given an ability from the following list: Fleet, Tank Hunters, Preferred Enemy, or Furious Charge.



Hmph. very rough, and i think i need another special rule, but i can't think of one. i'll leave that up to all of you.